Creating conflict aka making characters suffer is causing problems for Nina. She is aware that causing pain to the characters she loves is good for the readers because that’s how fiction works. Jay and Tim step in to help Nina through her troubles. Because that’s what Mad Writer Friends are good for. Listen to hear tips on how to make your own characters suffer. Nina’s current work is a heist story which means that heist story tips also come up.

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Recommended reading:

Tim’s recommendation: The Hot Rock by Donald Westlake

Jay’s recommendation: Jack of Shadows (Rediscovered Classics) by Roger Zelazny

Nina’s recommendation: Valour and Vanity (Glamourist Histories) by Mary Robinette Kowal

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Intro and outro music comes from “Cephalopod” by Kevin MacLeod (; licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0